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Hello! I'd like to question where the dates being used on this Wiki are coming from. They're being added without any reference at all and are completely wrong.
- "Three hundred years, the mulefa had said: that was how long the trees had been failing. Given the Shadow-particles passed through all the worlds alike, presumably the same thing was happening in her universe too, and in every other one. Three hundred years ago, the Royal Society was set up: the first true scientific society in her world. Newton was making his discoveries about optics and gravitation.
Three hundred years ago in Lyra's world, someone invented the alethiometer.
At the same time in that strange world through which she'd come to get here, the subtle knife was invented."
- —Mary Malone's thoughts[src]
This comes from the beginning of chapter 27 of The Amber Spyglass.
According to their official website, the Royal Society was founded in 1660. This means the events of The Amber Spyglass happen in approximately 1960.
Further evidence that the dates given in the Wiki are incorrect comes in Northern Lights.
- "And it were Lord Asriel that fought day and night in the floods of '53"
- —John Faa[src]
This quote comes from chapter 8. The current dates on the Wiki have Lord Asriel as being born in the early 50s. How could he be saving the lives of Gyptian children when he'd only just been born?
The reason I am writing this forum post rather than editing the dates is because there is something of an issue of adding other dates. We can only add approximates. All we know is that in The Amber Spyglass Marisa Coulter thinks that Lyra was conceived 13 years before, which isn't much to base a whole timeline on. In Northern Lights, Lyra gives her age as 11, but that could be a lie. There are no real indications as to what kind of timespan the series covers.
So, I'm posting this to open a discussion of sorts about what we should do about dates. Should we give approximate dates based on what we can glean from the story, or avoid it altogether? —This unsigned comment was made by Amyosaurus (talk • contribs) .
I'll admit that there are incorrect dates currently (Asriel was definitely not born in the 50s), but I've been going through and trying to correct them. I believe the answer is quite simple, actually. I've been rereading through the books (I'm currently on The Amber Spyglass, so there may be more evidence to discover) and have been picking up on a lot of hints.
Will was born in early 1985, the year his father went missing, and he is twelve during the story, so the story takes place in 1997. From that, we can assume Lyra was also born in 1987 since they are the same age. We also know that Mrs. Coulter had Lyra after being married, so she had to be at least 18, making the earliest Marisa could have been born as 1969, although it's highly unlikely she married at age 18.
Yes, you're right, I forgot about the reference in The Subtle Knife! I still haven't read Once Upon a Time in the North. I must fix this! Anyway, thanks for your response. :D - Amyosaurus 21:36, July 29, 2012 (UTC)
No problem ;) And I definitely suggest you read Once Upon a Time in the North. It's very interesting, and gives some background on Lee and Iorek which is pretty fascinating. --Rowan Salazar⁂Talk 23:55, July 29, 2012 (UTC)
I remember a few months back, an anonymous editor altered several pages on the "the series starts in 1960" argument; it turned out that they were using Wikipedia as a "source", so I reverted all those edits on the grounds that open wikis cannot, by their very nature, be reliable reference sources, and indeed Wikipedia's own policies state this. -- RobertATfm (talk) 00:41, July 30, 2012 (UTC)
Looking back at The Subtle Knife, it actually seems that Will was born in 1984. Does this mean other dates should be changed and that the events of The Amber Spyglass take place in 1996?
- "24 June 1985 [...] Will had been a year old when that letter was written"
- —Will's age[src]
As far as Marisa Coulter goes, when she died she was 35.
- "Her eyes found the eyes of her daemon. The golden monkey's expression was as subtle and complex as it had ever been, in all their thirty-five years of life."
- —Marisa Coulter's thoughts before she dies.[src]
- Amyosaurus 07:42, July 30, 2012 (UTC)
The first date came from page 113, the beginning of the last letter Will reads. The part that says he was one year old was page 114. In case you have a different edition, the part where he says he was one is the 4th paragraph from the end of chapter 5. - Amyosaurus 19:18, July 30, 2012 (UTC)
- "Will had been just a baby when that letter was written. Seven years after that had come the morning in the supermarket when he realized his mother was in terrible danger...."
- —This paragraph?
This also implies he was born the year his father disappeared, because he was seven years old when the grocery store incident happened, and this says seven years later.
But, for further proof, here is solid evidence I found in the middle of chapter 4 (p. 80, for me):
- "Will found the library easily enough, where the reference librarian was perfectly prepared to believe that he was doing some research for a school geography project and helped him find the bound copies of The Times index for the year of his birth, which was when his father had disappeared."
- —This is what led me to believe he was born in 1985[src]
It's interesting that the first quote is different in our two editions. Mine says he was one and the incident happened six years later. The second one you brought up is the same though. I suppose you have a newer edition which fixes the discrepancy! - Amyosaurus 18:22, July 31, 2012 (UTC)